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	<title>Comments on: Advantages of LuxSci/Thawte SSL Certificates over Go Daddy</title>
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		<title>By: Jim Williams</title>
		<link>http://luxsci.com/blog/advantages-of-luxscithawte-ssl-certificates-over-go-daddy.html/comment-page-1#comment-647</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen the &quot;stricter domain validation&quot; argument several places.

The real question is this -- does anyone really care?  How many consumers bother to click through to see where your SSL cert came from?  How many consumers will even recognize the CA&#039;s?

I suspect very few on both counts.

Does anyone have any data to the contrary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen the &#8220;stricter domain validation&#8221; argument several places.</p>
<p>The real question is this &#8212; does anyone really care?  How many consumers bother to click through to see where your SSL cert came from?  How many consumers will even recognize the CA&#8217;s?</p>
<p>I suspect very few on both counts.</p>
<p>Does anyone have any data to the contrary?</p>
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		<title>By: Scmeeven</title>
		<link>http://luxsci.com/blog/advantages-of-luxscithawte-ssl-certificates-over-go-daddy.html/comment-page-1#comment-584</link>
		<dc:creator>Scmeeven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s interesting about the stricter domain validation process of Thawte.

&gt;&gt;because they are not signing your certificate directly with that trust root.
I recollect reading somewhere that NOT signing the certificate directly with the original trust root is actually more secure than doing so because it prevents the original root from being compromised, ever. 

Comodo swears by this. Their entire range of certs (even EV SSL certs) require intermediate certs. In fact, I just had it confirmed by the Comodo partner support person that their only reason for this is a policy decision never to sign any cert with the original trust root and that even Verisign had changed its policy as of last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s interesting about the stricter domain validation process of Thawte.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;because they are not signing your certificate directly with that trust root.<br />
I recollect reading somewhere that NOT signing the certificate directly with the original trust root is actually more secure than doing so because it prevents the original root from being compromised, ever. </p>
<p>Comodo swears by this. Their entire range of certs (even EV SSL certs) require intermediate certs. In fact, I just had it confirmed by the Comodo partner support person that their only reason for this is a policy decision never to sign any cert with the original trust root and that even Verisign had changed its policy as of last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Kangas</title>
		<link>http://luxsci.com/blog/advantages-of-luxscithawte-ssl-certificates-over-go-daddy.html/comment-page-1#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Kangas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One difference between Thawte&#039;s and Go Daddy&#039;s domain validation is the degree of checking that is done.  I believe Thawte accepts only a narrower range of email addresses in the domain for validation and works a little harder to ensure that the validation is proper.  I woudn&#039;t trust Go Daddy&#039;s validation as it much more or all automated.

Regarding the trust root, this may have changed, we&#039;re just reporting what Thawte has told us.  For example, for EV certificates, it does look like Go Daddy is the &quot;trust root&quot; for its own EV SSL Certificate.  It is quite likely that for other certificates, that it is not the trust root.  The intermediate certificate is required for your browser to accept these other certificates as valid.  You can check the certificate chain yourself.  In FireFox, for example, 
* Double click on the &quot;lock&quot; icon. 
* Click on &quot;View Certificate&quot;
* Click on &quot;Details&quot;.
* See the &quot;Certificate Hierarchy&quot;.

One Go Daddy site I looked at had a chain of several Go Daddy authorities.  In cases where Go Daddy does own the trust root, that they make make other certificates for signing specific kinds of certificates.  In this cases, they would need to sign these other certificates with their own Trust root and provide an intermediate certificate so that the browser / server would have the full chain.  I.e. this is a case where intermediate certificates would be required even for places that have their own trust root which is actually trusted -- because they are not signing your certificate directly with that trust root.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One difference between Thawte&#8217;s and Go Daddy&#8217;s domain validation is the degree of checking that is done.  I believe Thawte accepts only a narrower range of email addresses in the domain for validation and works a little harder to ensure that the validation is proper.  I woudn&#8217;t trust Go Daddy&#8217;s validation as it much more or all automated.</p>
<p>Regarding the trust root, this may have changed, we&#8217;re just reporting what Thawte has told us.  For example, for EV certificates, it does look like Go Daddy is the &#8220;trust root&#8221; for its own EV SSL Certificate.  It is quite likely that for other certificates, that it is not the trust root.  The intermediate certificate is required for your browser to accept these other certificates as valid.  You can check the certificate chain yourself.  In FireFox, for example,<br />
* Double click on the &#8220;lock&#8221; icon.<br />
* Click on &#8220;View Certificate&#8221;<br />
* Click on &#8220;Details&#8221;.<br />
* See the &#8220;Certificate Hierarchy&#8221;.</p>
<p>One Go Daddy site I looked at had a chain of several Go Daddy authorities.  In cases where Go Daddy does own the trust root, that they make make other certificates for signing specific kinds of certificates.  In this cases, they would need to sign these other certificates with their own Trust root and provide an intermediate certificate so that the browser / server would have the full chain.  I.e. this is a case where intermediate certificates would be required even for places that have their own trust root which is actually trusted &#8212; because they are not signing your certificate directly with that trust root.</p>
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		<title>By: Scmeeven</title>
		<link>http://luxsci.com/blog/advantages-of-luxscithawte-ssl-certificates-over-go-daddy.html/comment-page-1#comment-581</link>
		<dc:creator>Scmeeven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LuxSci&#039;s $149 cert is the Thawte 123 cert, which is a domain validated cert. GoDaddy&#039;s entry level cert is also domain validated. The other key point was about Thawte owning the trust root. GoDaddy claims the same about its certificate authority too: http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/ssl/ssl.asp?ci=9039

So, on these two points, there isn&#039;t any difference between Thawte and GoDaddy. In fact, GoDaddy is much cheaper at $99.

Is it possible that intermediate certs are still required for certs even from authorities who have their own trust roots? GoDaddy seems to require intermediate certs. If GoDaddy&#039;s certifying authority owns their trust root, why are the intermediate certs required?

The other points in this article are all very valid. GoDaddy&#039;s horrible commercials alone are enough reason for a self-respecting business not to touch their services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LuxSci&#8217;s $149 cert is the Thawte 123 cert, which is a domain validated cert. GoDaddy&#8217;s entry level cert is also domain validated. The other key point was about Thawte owning the trust root. GoDaddy claims the same about its certificate authority too: <a href="http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/ssl/ssl.asp?ci=9039"  rel="nofollow">http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/ssl/ssl.asp?ci=9039</a></p>
<p>So, on these two points, there isn&#8217;t any difference between Thawte and GoDaddy. In fact, GoDaddy is much cheaper at $99.</p>
<p>Is it possible that intermediate certs are still required for certs even from authorities who have their own trust roots? GoDaddy seems to require intermediate certs. If GoDaddy&#8217;s certifying authority owns their trust root, why are the intermediate certs required?</p>
<p>The other points in this article are all very valid. GoDaddy&#8217;s horrible commercials alone are enough reason for a self-respecting business not to touch their services.</p>
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		<title>By: Secure Web Pages and Web Forms: What You Need to Know &#124; LuxSci FYI</title>
		<link>http://luxsci.com/blog/advantages-of-luxscithawte-ssl-certificates-over-go-daddy.html/comment-page-1#comment-577</link>
		<dc:creator>Secure Web Pages and Web Forms: What You Need to Know &#124; LuxSci FYI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] get an SSL certificate, you can either order one directly from a third party, like Thawte, or contact your web hosting provider and to see if they can obtain one for you.  In either case, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] get an SSL certificate, you can either order one directly from a third party, like Thawte, or contact your web hosting provider and to see if they can obtain one for you.  In either case, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Kangas</title>
		<link>http://luxsci.com/blog/advantages-of-luxscithawte-ssl-certificates-over-go-daddy.html/comment-page-1#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Kangas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Tom,

I researched this and what was actually meant was that Safari (and some other browsers) will not recognize the Go Daddy certificate as valid unless additional &quot;intermediate&quot; certificates are installed on the web server.  If you do not install the certificate chain that makes Go Daddy &quot;valid&quot;, then you will get warnings in these browsers (not not in newer versions of Internet Explorer and FireFox, for example).

I have revised the post to be explicit about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tom,</p>
<p>I researched this and what was actually meant was that Safari (and some other browsers) will not recognize the Go Daddy certificate as valid unless additional &#8220;intermediate&#8221; certificates are installed on the web server.  If you do not install the certificate chain that makes Go Daddy &#8220;valid&#8221;, then you will get warnings in these browsers (not not in newer versions of Internet Explorer and FireFox, for example).</p>
<p>I have revised the post to be explicit about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Murzenski</title>
		<link>http://luxsci.com/blog/advantages-of-luxscithawte-ssl-certificates-over-go-daddy.html/comment-page-1#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Murzenski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was able to access GoDaddy SSL pages with Safari on both Win and Mac with no problems. Is that bullet point still valid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was able to access GoDaddy SSL pages with Safari on both Win and Mac with no problems. Is that bullet point still valid?</p>
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		<title>By: Extended Validation (EV) SSL Certificates &#124; LuxSci FYI</title>
		<link>http://luxsci.com/blog/advantages-of-luxscithawte-ssl-certificates-over-go-daddy.html/comment-page-1#comment-569</link>
		<dc:creator>Extended Validation (EV) SSL Certificates &#124; LuxSci FYI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] SSL Certificates are issued by an Certificate Authority (CA) such as Thawte after the CA performs some basic standard validation on the identity of the certificate request to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] SSL Certificates are issued by an Certificate Authority (CA) such as Thawte after the CA performs some basic standard validation on the identity of the certificate request to [...]</p>
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